"Because of the abundant resources
that were available here in this ahupuaa," Chipper
points out, "and the fact that Hawaiian people were able to live here
in harmony with them, and utilize them but not deplete or destroy
them, this is one of those places that it believed to have been used
all the way from early contact, all the way up continuously. A lot
of places were used, and then abandoned.
"If you walk up and look at those loi, they have been used
conservatively for 800 consecutive years, but how? The soil should
be depleted! The key here is to malama. If you can get into
being inside of that ecosystem, from the Hawaiian perspective, be
a part of it, you become part of that balance. And the problem I think
we have with our society to day is, we don't thing of ourselves as
part of the ecosystem. We think of ourselves as above it. You know,
this is ours to dominate or exploit. Then things get really out of
balance that way."
"Gotta be in you," Samson
adds. "If it's in you, it'll work. If you can change the mind, then
it'll work. Otherwise it's only talk. So, people talking about resource
conservation, if it's not in the people, then you got to listen to
them more, so you can surrender to that idea. Because if you never
live like that, you cannot do that. For a person that when they talking
about it, they really never go through the mental process of making
it so. For me, if going through the mental process and you accept
that approach, then okay, then it will happen. But if you never go
through the mill, then never going happen."